September 26th, 2013
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Details.com editor James Oliver Cury tackles controversial food-and-drink-themed etiquette issues.

I grew up in New York City during the 1970s and 1980s, eating out and drinking regularly several nights a week. I vividly recall what it was like to be near smokers, whether it was my friends sucking down cloves at the bars (we were 14), weird old men immersed in a smoky haze at the local coffee shop, or grandpa Ed lighting up a cigar at the fancy seafood joint (he gave me the band to wear as a ring, so I was cool with it).

I never liked smoke or smoking, but the law didn’t forbid it back then and people just accepted it as a part of our culture, like being near a smelly person who doesn’t use deodorant. What are you going to do? Outlaw that? Part of the ritual of going out was coming home smelling like smoke - and hoping no one would light up at a good restaurant and impose cigarette smell on the rest of us.

Fast forward to 2003, and I’m a food writer at Time Out New York covering Bloomberg’s intention to forbid smoke in bars and restaurants. The legislation is controversial, for sure. But the proposed law is not predicated on the idea that smoking is always annoying to non-smokers or that it directly affects the smell and taste of food or that the odors linger in clothes no matter where you sat or that smoke stings the eyes. No, it was the fact that servers and bartenders and busboys are being subjected to unhealthy working conditions.

A few days ago, a related debate emerged: Should e-cigarettes be banned from restaurants? The topic has ruffled feathers among smokers, diners, servers, restaurateurs, chefs...and lawyers. My first reaction was: No one will be able to ban these contraptions, no matter how unsightly they are unless they can prove that e-cigarettes directly interfere with the customer experience or worker health.

And from what I can tell, e-cigs don’t smell awful, don’t invade clothes, and don’t leave ash or stubs or even smoke. Yes, they look a little silly, but if it helps someone stop real smoking (which is harmful for many reasons beyond the fact that there’s nicotine in the product), then who cares if someone lights up one of these pretend smokes? They’re like toothpicks in that respect, and you can’t ban tacky.

Below are some facts that shed light on the issue. Personally, e-cigs remind me a lot of chewing gum. I wouldn’t use the stuff in a nice restaurant, but I also wouldn’t advocate banning the practice outright.

E-cigarettes don’t stink
You won’t smell the e-cig of the person at the next table because these battery-powered devices emit vapor - like the stuff that comes out of your mouth when you breathe. No one’s palate will be wrecked by sitting near an e-smoker, as far as I can tell.

E-cigarettes are kinda green in theory
There are no butts to toss on the ground and no air pollution created., though, admittedly, a smoker may eventually need to dispose of the battery.

E-cigarettes are tacky and dorky
Many critics single out the fact that e-cigs are simply plastic sticks. Some of these gizmos sport fake burning ends, too. As Eric Ripert said: “It's weird to see someone smoking with a plastic cigarette.”

E-cigarettes have nicotine but none of the other harmful ingredients of normal cigs
CNN Health explains what’s in these products and discusses their safety. The verdict: More research is required because no one knows if there is a long-term impact on smokers or on the environment.

The law is murky
It’s not clear if Bloomberg or the next mayor (or politician) will attempt to ban e-cigs too. What is known is that e-cigarettes are clearly exempted from existing smoking bans in some cases. See the website for Americans for Nonsmokers' Rights for state- and town-specific rules and regulations.

E-cigarettes may keep smokers from leaving the table and smoking outside
Chefs don’t like it when the food arrives at the table on time but the patrons are outside smoking. Dishes get cold or else they come back to the kitchen and get stuck under a heat lamp taking up space. And many New Yorkers can’t stand it when smoke rises up into windows as small crowds of (drunk and rowdy) smokers band together outside to satisfy their urges in between bites and sips. Keep smokers inside and these annoyances would be kept to a minimum.

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Previously:
No kidding! Children not welcome to dine here
Bring in the noise, bring in the food
5 reasons you (yes you) should embrace fine dining
7 deadly restaurant sins that keep customers from coming back



soundoff (859 Responses)
  1. woodie

    Life is dangerous. If you are afraid, stay at home.

    September 26, 2013 at 1:21 pm |
  2. jhonny Ausemkock

    Here's the thing, you don't "smoke" an e-cigarette. It doesn't meet the threshold of the definition of smoking in any way. According to both the noun and verb definitions of "smoke", a substance must be combusted. This simply doesn't happen with e-cigs. So really, the poll itself at the end of the article is misleading and inaccurate. When you frame the question in reality, it becomes, "Do you think people should be allowed to put plastic straws in their mouths in restaurants?" In other words, "Should we outlaw drinking straws?"

    Excellent "journalism" as usual CNN. You must be so proud.

    September 26, 2013 at 1:13 pm |
  3. Waaaaaa

    The people in the next booth are exhaling Co2. Co2 is bad. Exhaling should be banned in restaurants.

    September 26, 2013 at 12:59 pm |
    • Todrick

      absolutely... inhaling CO2 can be fatal in high doses.

      LOL the absurdity of some of the anti-ecig article would make me laugh... if this idiocy didn't threaten to get ecigs banned and leave millions of smokers without an effective, reduced harm alternative to cigarettes.

      September 26, 2013 at 4:00 pm |
  4. Dr Tod Policandriotes

    Next time you are outside and walking around near a stop light when there is a lot of traffic, take a deep breath and relish in the FACT that you just breathed in highly carcinogenic brake dust particles and diesel exhaust. Ohh, and that mask you think will protect you DOES NOT stop nanoparticles. Ladies, that makeup you are wearing is made from nanoparticles that cause cancer too. Rubbing your face puts them into the air for everyone to breath.

    September 26, 2013 at 12:59 pm |
    • internetisgay

      Don't forget hot dogs, they cause cancer too. (seriously)

      September 26, 2013 at 1:08 pm |
    • DaveinFlorida

      Could you please stop with your mind numbingly boring rant about car brakes?

      September 26, 2013 at 1:50 pm |
    • RC

      God you're an idiot. The carcinogenic materials such as asbestos, have been banned from brake friction materials for a decade or more. Sure, they still make some dust to a degree, but not carcinogenic dust. Also, the resins used today are much more stable and heat resistant than before.

      September 26, 2013 at 7:06 pm |
  5. Danny

    I'm hoping that Logic will come out with a Northern Lights version.

    September 26, 2013 at 12:58 pm |
    • Tony

      I'm just hoping people will use logic before they post.

      September 26, 2013 at 1:42 pm |
  6. RS

    First of all, it is not smoking, I don't care if they call it an e-cigarette, nothing is getting burnt! If you think it is smoking then start complaining about nebulizers or better yet, lets ban all inhailers. Lets take it further, just tell others that they can't exhale because eveyone breathes out water vapor to varying degrees.

    While I think it is tacky to do this in a restaurant. It is less tacky than people talking on their cell phones when others are trying to enjoy a meal.

    September 26, 2013 at 12:55 pm |
  7. Greebo Watkins

    Non smokers should view e-cigs as a ****ing godsend... Everything you were moaning about is gone! You should be encouraging smokers to switch to these things...

    September 26, 2013 at 12:51 pm |
    • jhonny Ausemkock

      Most second-hand smoke complainers are the type of person who will always find something to bitch about that's "killing" them. It's a psychological flaw. They can't help it, but logic does not apply in their universe. These are the people who have gotten GOVERNMENTS to declare things as fact that have yet to be proven scientifically, just to shut them up. If it wasn't this, they would find something else to waste their lives complaining about in less than a week. They're just whiny bitches, that's all there is to it. Miserable people who will always find something to be miserable about.

      September 26, 2013 at 1:19 pm |
    • Kwstad

      Exactly Greebo. Non smokers should be delighted by e-cigs. But they LOOK like smoke, so they are against them too.

      September 26, 2013 at 4:05 pm |
  8. Elexsor

    I like all the mouth breathers that voted for "No one should smoke anything, at all, anywhere that food is served." Really? How many of them like candle light dinners in restaurants? I bet not a single one of them would have a complaint about it.

    September 26, 2013 at 12:51 pm |
    • DaveinFlorida

      When is the last time you saw someone take a drag off a candle and blow it in your face....mouth breather?

      September 26, 2013 at 1:40 pm |
    • Ram

      And you believe that smoke in e- cigarettes and that in candle is the same. Candles have history, not sure what is the long term impact of e-cigarettes. So once long term study's prove them to be safe then no issues. My skepticism might arise from not much information about them. I am not sure what makes you so sure that they are safe.

      September 26, 2013 at 2:26 pm |
  9. Greebo Watkins

    Non smokers should view e-cigs as a f***ing godsend... Everything you were_bitching_about is gone! You should be encouraging smokers to switch to these things...

    September 26, 2013 at 12:51 pm |
  10. Dr Tod Policandriotes

    Give up your car or truck, your brake dust and exhaust is killing me. Control your urge to use those brakes and step on that accelerator pedal, that is unless you have an all electric car that has re-generative brakes that use magnets and coils.
    Please stop your ridiculous complaining unless you are ready to give up that big old SUV or any gasoline/diesel powered car that uses resin bonded brake materials.

    September 26, 2013 at 12:43 pm |
    • DaveinFlorida

      Could you please stop with your mind numbingly boring rant about car brakes?

      September 26, 2013 at 1:50 pm |
  11. Shawn

    Alright. I supported a smoking ban because smoking truly does invadethe lives of those around you, going beyond your rights and inflicting the disgusting odor/harmful effects on others.

    BUT, those smokers who choose to use e-cigs. I stand firmly behind your cause. You did what society asked and shouldn't be subjected to further scrutiny. You aren't causing anyone any undue harm or discomfort.

    Nope, leave them alone. They've met the criteria for having a habit that affects no one but them.

    And seriously...someone complained about the smells? If I have to stomach skank perfume/cologne...I can handle some vapor that isn't killing me.

    September 26, 2013 at 12:42 pm |
  12. jeff

    Do you exhale tobacco molecules?
    Yes.
    Go outside then.

    September 26, 2013 at 12:38 pm |
    • Greebo Watkins

      Great opinion, but this article is about e-cigs.

      September 26, 2013 at 12:41 pm |
    • Roger S

      It's not tobacco, so no, they don't.

      September 26, 2013 at 12:48 pm |
    • John Stew

      Guess you didn't read the article and just jumped right on the hate wagon. Shows a lot about you.

      September 26, 2013 at 12:56 pm |
    • Zippernipples

      Ahahahaha Jeff! Thank God for anonymity, right? You look like a horses ass.

      September 26, 2013 at 1:33 pm |
    • Laura

      There is no Tobacco in e cigs

      September 26, 2013 at 1:53 pm |
  13. Toon

    You know someone will file a law suit for 2nd hand moisture.

    September 26, 2013 at 12:37 pm |
    • william

      Second hand vapor, like when someone passes gas and fecal matter is expelled into the air.

      September 26, 2013 at 12:51 pm |
  14. Joe

    Does no one realize the law says no smoking. It doesn't specify what. This is still smoking. This is a non-issue because it's already illegal! Also they do smell. Whomever says they don't smell is wrong. It still vaporizes something, and that will emit a smell!

    September 26, 2013 at 12:33 pm |
    • Greebo Watkins

      Non combustible products... Why is this so difficult for people to grasp? Are you allergic to learning about stuff?

      September 26, 2013 at 12:37 pm |
    • James Dean

      If you think it is smoking, then what is burning? Where is the smoke? It's like an inhaler of nicotine. There's no smoking involved.

      September 26, 2013 at 12:41 pm |
      • Navy

        you can buy juice for them with no nicotine, so youre just smoking flavor.

        September 26, 2013 at 12:51 pm |
    • william

      Hey Joe,
      Let's ban perfume and makeup as well. How about deodorant too? All of these things emit a smell. What if someone passes gas should we ban them from the public as well?

      September 26, 2013 at 12:42 pm |
    • John Stew

      @Joe haha do you guys not even read up before commenting. So ignorant, with e-cigs you don't smoke anything. I think you are confusing smoking (burning a combustible) with inhaling a vapor. If that's your opinion, I guess anyone with a asthma inhaler should be banned from non-smoking areas as well.

      September 26, 2013 at 1:01 pm |
  15. Dr Tod Policandriotes

    All of the people complaining about smoking and these e-cis are wussies and quite ignorant. Were you ignorant people aware that the car you drive has brakes? How about that truck on the road? Were you also aware that the particles generated by braking with resin bonded friction materials cause cancer?

    After you come home and park your car, go to your front wheel and take a whiff. That smell is the resin and the nanoparticles floating around. Yes, YOU are directly polluting the atmosphere and the environment with your car brakes. Not to mention the exhaust. Try trapping yourself in your garage with your car running, you will most likely die from CO (carbon monoxide) poisoning. Have you ever seen the huge clouds of black smoke coming from a diesel truck or car? The smoke contains particles that absolutely cause cancer and there is NOTHING you can do about it except DEMAND cars run on electric or hydrogen, the safest and cleanest methods of propelling your vehicle.
    Stop complaining about people smoking and enjoying their short lives, MAYBE YOU should do the same and simply enjoy your short little life the best you can without trying to impede someone elses enjoyment of life. Frankly, people that do not take showers offend my nose far more than cigarette smoke and so does the exhaust from a diesel truck or a bus.

    September 26, 2013 at 12:33 pm |
    • DaveinFlorida

      What?......I nodded off after the word "ALL".

      September 26, 2013 at 1:43 pm |
    • DaveinFlorida

      What?.... I nodded off after the word "All".

      September 26, 2013 at 1:44 pm |
  16. ughh

    i dont understand...there was no point brought up as to WHY e-cigs should be banned.

    September 26, 2013 at 12:33 pm |
  17. ann

    FYI I was never suggesting govt should dictate to the restaurants. I was however saying that restaurants shouldn't ban them just because they look like a cigarette or because they don't know what if any issues it might cause patrons. Information is key and anyone who is against information & research can go and live with their hand in the sand if that is there wish. No one is stopping you.

    September 26, 2013 at 12:31 pm |
  18. P

    My experience with the e-cig is that people use it so they can smoke in the office. They have no desire to actually quit smoking

    September 26, 2013 at 12:28 pm |
    • mmm

      you know this for a fact?? or just making stuff up is fun for you?

      September 26, 2013 at 12:30 pm |
    • Greebo Watkins

      What they're quitting is tobacco products... e-cigs aren't combustible which means no smoke, but don't let that sciency, facty stuff get in your way.

      September 26, 2013 at 12:32 pm |
  19. olkvgn

    Gorsh wrote:
    Things that really bother me when I eat:

    People talking on cell phones
    Young children misbehaving
    Babies crying
    Wait staff being slow with drink refills
    Cigar or cigarette smoke
    Foul mouthed people speaking loudly
    People at the next table getting food that looks/smells better than mine

    Why is only one of my concerns addressed by law?

    ** Because only one can harm others. The rest is just you whining.**

    September 26, 2013 at 12:27 pm |
  20. Bobo

    Now how about them silent farts. Methane alert! Methane alert!

    September 26, 2013 at 12:23 pm |
    • RC

      I agree. Farts should be loud.

      September 26, 2013 at 6:09 pm |
  21. Nathaniel Warren III

    this is NOT! a problem. We have much bigger problems in our government and political and social system than ecigs! this is coming from a 20 year old collegiate entrepreneur

    September 26, 2013 at 12:22 pm |
    • mmm

      e-cigs, abortions, .. all are distractions and politicians use them to their advantage.

      September 26, 2013 at 12:24 pm |
  22. Jeff

    I think they're dumb, and the people using them look ridiculous. On that note, just as I feel about smoking, it should be up to the individual establishment on whether or not they are allowed.

    September 26, 2013 at 12:20 pm |
    • mmm

      what really looks foolish are people who bless themselves in public. Now that's just ridiculous.

      September 26, 2013 at 12:22 pm |
    • Ken Anderson

      I am going to agree and disagree with you. There are studies out there that can help educate you. Such as http://tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.com/2013/05/study-shows-no-acute-respiratory-health.html
      All that aside. I am a vaper. I switched to replace smoking and am much healthier for it. The vapor, on the other hand does have a scent and some of them are strong. In many places vaping is allowed, the manager may ask a person to vape a different flavor. Then again, if the management does not WISH to allow it then it's ok too. Earlier youor someone else said some teenagers were vaping at the table next door. I hope not.just as I am against kids smoking and drinking, I'm against them vaping or going to war until they reach voting age. Some things should be left for adults to choose.

      September 26, 2013 at 2:50 pm |
  23. palintwit

    Whenever I think of trailer parks, I think of Sarah Palin. Whenever I think of Sarah Palin, I think of trailer trash. Whenever I think of trailer trash, I think of tea party patriots. Whenever I think of tea party patriots, I think of nascar. Whenever I think of nascar, I think of assault weapons. Whenever I think of assault weapons, I think of trailer parks. Whenever I think of trailer parks, I think of Sarah Palin. Whenever I think of Sarah Palin, I think of trailer trash. Whenever I think of trailer trash, I think of ....

    September 26, 2013 at 12:18 pm |
    • Frank

      You do too much thinking

      September 26, 2013 at 12:33 pm |
    • TJ

      Whenever I think of people like you, I think of people with fecaI-matter for brains. Whenever I think of or see fecaI-matter, I think of people like you.

      September 26, 2013 at 12:39 pm |
  24. TomGI

    My preference is to have nothing discharged into my environment. Not smoke, vapor, gas, chemicals, nothing. As long as the restaurant discloses their pro-e-cig policy at the entrance I'm OK with it. I won't eat there as that is my choice and my vote. What bothers me is going into a restaurant, ordering, eating and then seeing someone whip out their drug dispensing device and vapor wafting around their head. Knowing in advance would prevent me from patronizing the place. If possible, I would cash out and split ASAP but first I would tell the manager or owner WHY I wouldn't be back. Depending on their reaction, would determine if I flamed them on Yelp at some later time.

    September 26, 2013 at 12:18 pm |
    • mmm

      you do know the urinal cakes are far more damaging to you..

      BTW,, I'm a non smoker and it doesn't bother me a bit if someone smokes an e-cig.

      Actually, I do like the smell when someone lights up a tobacco pipe.

      September 26, 2013 at 12:21 pm |
      • Ann

        I like the smell of some pipe smoke, too. It reminds me of my grandfather. However, I only like it if we're outdoors, or at least a well-ventilated area. Wouldn't like it in a restaurant (or home) while I was eating.

        September 26, 2013 at 12:48 pm |
    • Greebo Watkins

      Wow. You should probably just not eat out at all, what with all the perfume, cell phone radiation, skin cells floating around, flatulence...etc.

      September 26, 2013 at 12:23 pm |
    • mike.s

      Tell you what... you stop consuming their oxygen and turning it into CO2, and they'll stop vaping e-cigs. Seems fair to me.

      September 26, 2013 at 12:30 pm |
    • LawyerLady

      You really should pull that stick out of your ass. It must be very uncomfortable.

      September 26, 2013 at 12:36 pm |
    • TJ

      @TomGI: Wow... you sound like the "aristocracy" of ninnies, nincompoops, and those who think they're all that, but aren't. Get in touch with reality little one – do you have ANY clue what you sound like? (HINT: I wouldn't allow my children to act like you.)

      September 26, 2013 at 12:42 pm |
    • william

      Stay home and seal all your doors and windows. Read all you can about Howard Hughes.

      September 26, 2013 at 12:47 pm |
  25. Tony

    I'm not a smoker, and I'm very anti-smoker (sorry smokers), but I have NO problem with e-ciggs whatsoever. The city of Tucson actually BANNED e-cigs from outdoor public places on city property...OUTDOORS! Okay, ban real cigs, but e-CIGS?! Why? It makes zero sense.

    September 26, 2013 at 12:15 pm |
    • Greebo Watkins

      Because people are too lazy and ignorant to see the difference between the two...

      September 26, 2013 at 12:20 pm |
    • TJ

      @Tony: Why? It's political correctness run amok, along with liberal thinking and control run amok. Sooner or later there's going to be a backlash against that kind of nonsense.

      September 26, 2013 at 12:45 pm |
    • william

      Because the government in AZ is comprised of ignorant, power hungry Fear mongers.

      September 26, 2013 at 12:49 pm |
      • Suzanne

        So very true, William!
        Thank you for all of your excellent comments on this subject too! It is astounding how ridiculous and
        stupid some of these people are.

        September 26, 2013 at 1:41 pm |
  26. RichardHead

    Jeez, What a Bunch of Yankee Whiners. During the winter and the power goes out,do you not use wood in the fireplace?? Ohhh--the smoke is terrible--Wussies.

    September 26, 2013 at 12:13 pm |
    • bczu

      Your house gtes smokey when you burn wood in your fireplace? Might want to get that checked out.

      September 26, 2013 at 12:22 pm |
      • mmm

        all wood fireplaces emit some smoke.. I believe that was the point,, and it's accurate.

        September 26, 2013 at 12:34 pm |
        • Ann

          True, but heating your house is a fairly good reason to emit some smoke. Feeding your drug habit – not so much.

          My wood stove is my main heat source. The wood is a renewable resource, comes from my own property (so no transportation costs), and is 100% made in the USA.

          Your electric heat may look clean to you, but what kind of power plant does it come from?

          September 26, 2013 at 12:44 pm |
      • RichardHead

        Reading comprehension from Yankees seems to be behind the Norm. Rats, squirrels, and your local neighborhood thug that thinks a chimney is the proper hiding place, well.....

        September 26, 2013 at 12:51 pm |
        • Ann

          Norm who?

          I keep my chimney cleaned and maintained – and screened to keep animals out (bats, squirrels – no rats around here that I've noticed).

          As for the neighborhood thugs – well, we don't have a problem with those around here either, but if one came by and wanted to get in my chimney, he'd have to be less than 8 inches wide. Not much of a threat.

          It would be a rather silly way to break into my house, anyway, since the door's usually unlocked. Gotta love life in the country!

          September 26, 2013 at 12:59 pm |
        • RichardHead@Ann

          We have very skinny criminals in the Houston area........tho a good Bonfire does clean everything out.

          September 26, 2013 at 1:21 pm |
  27. Ann

    There's probably much more danger from the air freshener that gets sprayed in the bathroom. This is not a health risk question. It's a ... actually, I don't really see what the point is. No smell, no health risk, no fire risk ... about the only way I think the vapor could be annoying is if I were watching a play or movie and there were clouds of the stuff getting in the way of the screen.

    As for the "Oh, what will the CHILDREN think?" nonsense - tell your kid that the e-cig is something the person is using to try to quit smoking, which is VERY bad for you. It looks weird, so if you dont' want to need that, don't ever start smoking.

    September 26, 2013 at 12:10 pm |
    • Greebo Watkins

      The fact that the "Oh, what will the CHILDREN think?" argument even comes up is a sign of how weak the opposition's case is.

      September 26, 2013 at 12:19 pm |
      • Ann

        Yeah, I've never even SEEN an e-cig (I don't eat out much) so I'll have to take others' word about whether there's a smell, but the consensus seems to be that there isn't. I can't understand the objection, if that's true.

        September 26, 2013 at 12:40 pm |
        • Greebo Watkins

          Depending on the e-juice, there a faint smell for like five seconds, and the fragrance is what ever flavor the person is vaping... so yeah, PLEASE protect me from that brief bit of English Toffee!

          September 26, 2013 at 12:45 pm |
        • Ann

          That wouldn't bother me at all. It would be similar to smelling someone else's entree as the server brought it past the table.

          September 26, 2013 at 12:50 pm |
        • Flowsephine

          I have never been able to smell it (even before I started using one) but that may be because I was a smoker and smoking damages your sense of smell.
          I have some people tell me they can't smell anything at all and others who say they can smell something vaguely sweet but can't tell what the particular flavor is. Either way, it's not an offensive smell.
          Probably worth noting that I'm using a higher end device and always have. I've never used the Blu or NJoy brands that they sell at gas stations. Those might be different. I've also heard that they are manufactured by R.J. Reynolds and Phillip Morris (tobacco companies) so I'd be hesitant to trust them the way I do the e-liquid manufacturers from whom I purchase my juice. Even still though, if it helps someone kick those smelly analogs, more power to them!

          September 26, 2013 at 1:26 pm |
  28. jkflipflop

    The author of this article has to be the biggest crybaby I've ever seen in my life. Man up, Nancy.

    September 26, 2013 at 12:09 pm |
  29. Bob

    There's no smoke, just vapor. There's no legitimate argument for banning them like there is regular cigarettes. The vapor isn't thick like smoke and doesn't act like it in other ways either. If it was creating clouds of foul smelling smoke wafting through the building like normal smoking does I could see why people would want it banned.

    September 26, 2013 at 12:06 pm |
    • bczu

      There are still toxins in the vapor....
      Acetaldehyde (MS)
      Benzene (SS)
      Cadmium (MS)
      Formaldehyde (MS,SS)
      Isoprene (SS)
      Lead (MS)
      Nickel (MS)
      Nicotine (MS, SS)
      N-Nitrosonornicotine (MS, SS)
      Toluene (MS, SS)

      September 26, 2013 at 12:24 pm |
      • mmm

        my guess is that you don't drive a car,, or get near one. Also, you don't cook at home or use air fresheners. much worse. In fact the chemicals in e-cigs contain far less chemicals that most any other substance you are exposed to on a daily basis.

        September 26, 2013 at 12:29 pm |
        • bczu

          I dont drive a car indoors. Now ask yourself, what happens if you do?

          September 26, 2013 at 1:50 pm |
      • Craig

        It should be noted that no subsequent studies have yet been able to repeat the results of the German study on trace chemicals. (which the FDA report cited).
        The general consensus has been that those impurities were a result of shoddy manufacturing in the Chinese made e-juice used in the German study.
        The vast majority of e-juice used here is made in the USA with FDA approved ingredients thus eliminating the risk of impurities.

        September 26, 2013 at 3:52 pm |
  30. Gorsh

    Things that really bother me when I eat:

    People talking on cell phones
    Young children misbehaving
    Babies crying
    Wait staff being slow with drink refills
    Cigar or cigarette smoke
    Foul mouthed people speaking loudly
    People at the next table getting food that looks/smells better than mine

    Why is only one of my concerns addressed by law?

    September 26, 2013 at 12:01 pm |
    • JR

      I want government to step in and make sure a restaurant never runs out of the one entree I wanted. That upsets me and somebody needs to do something about it.

      September 26, 2013 at 12:05 pm |
      • Gorsh

        Agreed! I once went to a very nice restaurant only to find they were out of both my first and second choices.

        My whole evening was ruined and I cried myself to sleep.

        September 26, 2013 at 12:10 pm |
    • awakeinalabama

      when you have kids of your own then you can talk about not liking screaming kids or babies... if you have kids then not sure where you put them when you go out

      September 26, 2013 at 12:09 pm |
      • Ann

        It's called "getting a babysitter" - but that's a whole other column.

        September 26, 2013 at 12:12 pm |
        • awakeinalabama

          I would rather spend time with my kids and let them enjoy life with me instead of pawning them off but thanks for playing

          September 26, 2013 at 12:19 pm |
      • Gorsh

        I think you miss the concept of sarcasm. I have two kids myself.

        Though, when they were young I always took them out of restaurants when they cried or misbehaved.

        Ate quite a few takeout meals, but didn't offend those around me.

        Isn't freedom awesome?

        September 26, 2013 at 12:12 pm |
        • awakeinalabama

          yea, I love to take my kids out and let them experience life and enjoy their company. Of course they act up every now and then but that is part of having 3 kids younger than 10. I just get tired of the looks and stuff. If you want to enjoy a meal with no kids, then go to a restaurant that is not kid friendly or is expensive :)

          September 26, 2013 at 12:15 pm |
      • Gorsh

        It is a personal choice. I always chose not to ruin everyone else's meal when my children acted up.

        I guess, you choose your happiness over those around you.

        Even if the unhappiness of others offends you....

        September 26, 2013 at 12:22 pm |
        • Ann

          Thank you for being a considerate parent.

          September 26, 2013 at 12:54 pm |
      • keith

        Typical ignorant parent wanting the world to cater to them instead of realizing that their actions are negatively affecting those around them. Maybe if you were a better parent, your kids wouldn't act up in the first place.

        September 26, 2013 at 3:16 pm |
  31. laurab68

    Human beings are the only animal on this planet who smoke. All others (including non smokers) creatures on this planet have to deal with smokers. Why people continue to smoke is beyond me.
    As an ex smoker myself who quit old turkey, I know how strong the addiction is. People use the word addiction as a crutch to continue to smoke. The fact is most are scared to quit because they will have to deal with withdrawl. And yes, the withdrawl sucks. It makes you irritable, hard to think straight and it's like having major pms x 10 and it goes on an on for what seems forever. There were times I was huddled in the conference room in the fetal position rocking back and forth until it passed because I wanted a smoke that badly. I was no fun to be around for quite a w hile. But the withdrawl doesn't last forever. After 5-6 months, it's all psychological. The nicotene is out of your system, the rest is willpower. You may have to change your friends for non-smoking ones. You may have to change your daily habits and hangouts, but it is possible to quit.
    It's been almost 15 years since I've gone near a smoke, and I won't allow myself to go back. If you tell yourself that one just one hurt it generally puts you back to where you started to only have to go through it all over again. It's just not worth it.
    Why did I quit? Well after watching both grandparents and 2 aunts die from cancer, watching my uncle only having 30% lung capacity and nearly losing my mother to bladder cancer from those things.....never again will one go near me.

    September 26, 2013 at 11:57 am |
    • Gorsh

      Actually, wild monkeys in close proximity to large numbers of human smokers have been known to pick up the habit of smoking discarded butts.

      September 26, 2013 at 12:05 pm |
      • laurab68

        While it's true, a lot of monkeys who are in close proximity to humans pick up this habit. It starts out as emulation or it being forced on them as people this it's funny or a joke. If they were not exposed to humans, this would not happen. But they do not go to the local store and buy a pack.

        September 26, 2013 at 2:32 pm |
    • Greebo Watkins

      Cool story, but this article is about e-cigs.

      September 26, 2013 at 12:11 pm |
      • laurab68

        You are correct and I may have gone off on a tangent. Personally and this is not going to go over well with anyone who still smokes, is that all cigarettes, cigars, chewing tobacco and ecigs should all be banned period everywhere.
        If you ever have had cancer from smoking or watching someone go through, cancer, COPD or any breathing disorder from smoking, then you'll understand. You don't really appreciate your lungs until you can't get enough air in them, then all of a sudden being able to breathe becomes extremely important. If you've ever been a child stuck in a car seat with a parent smoking in the car with the windows closed and can't get away from the smoke....

        September 26, 2013 at 3:22 pm |
        • Kwstad

          And e-cigs are NOTHING like that. You can be "trapped" in a car with someone puffing on one, and they do not bother you at all. If you had your eyes closed you would never realize they were puffing on one. They truly help smokers.

          September 26, 2013 at 4:33 pm |
    • Bobo

      Not true. I saw a chimpanzee smoking a real cigarette at the circus.

      September 26, 2013 at 12:15 pm |
      • AL Gore

        I Never Inhaled, and I was listening to Rock and Roll at the time.

        September 26, 2013 at 1:50 pm |
    • Swampman

      Hey Laura...Some human beings are the only animals on this planet who are Gay. All others (including non Gays) creatures on this planet have to deal with Gays. Why people continue to be Gay is beyond me.

      September 26, 2013 at 1:10 pm |
      • Swampman

        Damn Humans...you can't live with em' and you can't live without them!

        September 26, 2013 at 1:26 pm |
      • Suzanne

        Not true! I had the most precious couple of rabbits years ago. They were 100% gay.

        September 26, 2013 at 1:47 pm |
      • laurab68

        Actually that's not true. If memory serves I 've read about horses, giraffe's & dogs who are gay....we are not the only species who have the capacity to be gay.

        September 26, 2013 at 2:28 pm |
  32. Toon

    Just bought one yesterday. After 26 years, thought I’d use whatever might work to quit. Had the last smoke at 11am and had absolutely zero desire for a smoke all day/night. However…..this gadget didn’t work well when I woke up. 26 years of Folgers and Marlboros is in the AM is a hard habit to break. Baby steps I guess.

    September 26, 2013 at 11:56 am |
    • Venusian

      My pulmonologist told me e cigs are much better that regular cigs because they lack tar. he would much rather me use them to quit.

      September 26, 2013 at 12:07 pm |
    • Colleen

      The difference in carcinogens is very obvious at first. Keep it up, just really try that first week. After a week, go ahead and bum a real cigarette from someone and you won't believe how disgusting it smells. You won't be able to smoke it after experiencing an e-cigarette. It also very much depends on what type of vaporizer you're using. Get the $25 kind, not the disposable crappy ones. The $25 is refillable and rechargeable, it works a lot better. Also, I would suggest not inhaling forcibly like you would with a cigarette, just inhale into your mouth then inhale fully. This keeps the super hot vapor from screwing up your throat.

      September 26, 2013 at 12:55 pm |
      • Suzanne

        I agree, Colleen, and that was great advice on how to use the e-cigs too!

        September 26, 2013 at 1:51 pm |
      • Barbara KE

        Super hot vapor??!!?!!?! Huh?!!!?! The vapor isn't hot, it's not even warm.

        September 27, 2013 at 6:12 am |
  33. Personal Experience

    Last weekend, I went out to a restaurant/ bar with several friends and a group with 3 e-cig smokers ended up taking a table about 6 feet away. 2 of the smokers used the e-cigs non-stop for for the hour we stayed. The e-cig smoke/ vapor was excessive and our table was completely filled with it. It smelled fruity the entire time they were there and two contact wearers at my table's eyes were beginning to water and become irritated, which is when we decided to leave. There are obviously worse things in the world, but their smoking definitely impacted our evening.

    September 26, 2013 at 11:54 am |
    • JR

      And you made a choice to leave. Isn't being free to make such a choice a good thing?

      September 26, 2013 at 11:58 am |
    • Casey

      Well if being annoying is a reason to ban things lets ban perfume and body spray.. this whole thing is dumb. Some people just arent satisfied if they dont have anything to complain about, Oh no it was to fruity for you? You poor thing..

      September 26, 2013 at 12:10 pm |
      • bczu

        These are the toxins e-cigs release into the air (SS) and that the user inhales (MS). So yeah if I am in a restaurant with my family I will have a problem with you smoking them indoors. You idiots really think that its harmless to you and the people around you because its vapor instead of smoke? lol

        Acetaldehyde (MS)
        Benzene (SS)
        Cadmium (MS)
        Formaldehyde (MS,SS)
        Isoprene (SS)
        Lead (MS)
        Nickel (MS)
        Nicotine (MS, SS)
        N-Nitrosonornicotine (MS, SS)
        Toluene (MS, SS)

        September 26, 2013 at 12:31 pm |
        • Colleen

          Stop spreading your nonsense. If those chemicals are in the mixture that you put in your vaporizer they are not being emitted. Once you heat up the device and take a pull the only thing being exhaled is water vapor. What is so hard to understand about this?! Most of those ingredients are preservatives, which your good is packed full with. Get over it, understand that this is not going to hurt you at all. Car exhaust is much, much worse.

          September 26, 2013 at 12:58 pm |
        • bczu

          Yeah, you keep blabbing and Ill keep reading the studies. That list doesnt even include all the non cancerous toxins e cigs have. You are inhaling chemicals and somehow you think thats safe....you are an imbecile.

          September 26, 2013 at 1:42 pm |
        • bczu

          Abstract
          Significance Electronic cigarettes, also known as e-cigarettes, are devices designed to imitate regular cigarettes and deliver nicotine via inhalation without combusting tobacco. They are purported to deliver nicotine without other toxicants and to be a safer alternative to regular cigarettes. However, little toxicity testing has been performed to evaluate the chemical nature of vapour generated from e–cigarettes. The aim of this study was to screen e-cigarette vapours for content of four groups of potentially toxic and carcinogenic compounds: carbonyls, volatile organic compounds, nitrosamines and heavy metals.

          Materials and methods Vapours were generated from 12 brands of e-cigarettes and the reference product, the medicinal nicotine inhaler, in controlled conditions using a modified smoking machine. The selected toxic compounds were extracted from vapours into a solid or liquid phase and analysed with chromatographic and spectroscopy methods.

          Results We found that the e-cigarette vapours contained some toxic substances

          ...and then I listed them for you.

          Heres another study....
          Conclusions
          The consumption of e-cigarettes causes emissions of
          aerosols and VOCs, such as 1,2-propanediol, flavoring
          substances, and nicotine, into indoor air. During
          inhalation of e-cigarette vapor, the aerosol size
          distribution alters in the human lung and leads to
          an exhalation of smaller particles. This effect is caused
          by the evaporation of the liquid particles in the lung
          and also in the environment after exhalation. The
          quantity of the inhaled vapor could be observed to
          depend on the liquid delivery system of the
          e-cigarette in use.
          Overall, the e-cigarette is a new source of VOCs and
          ultrafine/fine particles in the indoor environment.
          Therefore, the question of passive vaping can be
          answered in the affirmative. However, with regard to a
          health-related evaluation of e-cigarette consumption,
          the impact of vapor inhalation into the human lung
          should be of primary concern.

          Now, go play in traffic

          September 26, 2013 at 1:49 pm |
        • TickledPink

          My e-liquid contains propylene glycol (food safe), vegetable glycerin (food safe), nicotine and flavoring. The flavorings are usually the same used to flavor food and candies. The USDA has determined that these vapor making ingredients are safe to injest so where is your objection?

          September 26, 2013 at 2:19 pm |
        • flatlander

          You can find some level of harmful chemicals in just about anything. The question is it harmful amounts or named to sensationalize a biased "news" article. Murray Laugesen, Safety Report on the Ruyan® E-Cigarette Cartridge and Inhaled Aerosol, Health N.Z. Ltd. (Oct. 21, 2008), available at http://www.healthnz.co.nz.

          The study analyzed the composition of the “smoke” emitted from the e-cigarettes and the cartridge liquid, as well as the presence of volatile compounds in the headspace above the cartridge liquid, among other measurements. The data showed that each puff contained one-third to one-half the nicotine found in a puff of a tobacco-containing cigarette, and the inhalation toxicity of propylene glycol is “not an issue.” It also found that carcinogenic heavy metals such as chromium, arsenic, and nickel, which have been found in cigarette tobacco, are not present in the cartridge liquid.

          Analysis of the headspace of the e-cigarette cartridge found low levels—1.2 parts per million (ppm)—of the gas benzene.
          Granted, there are more recent studies but jeez, you sound like my old boss. He would get pi$$ed off if the person in the car next to him on the freeway was smoking with their windows closed. Give your study showing those chemicals at harmful levels in e cigarettes. I put the odor, if any, up there with perfume. If ecigs are banned, ban perfume wearing and perfumed products. Soap, deodorant, hairspray, and all others.

          September 26, 2013 at 2:34 pm |
    • mmm

      well, Personal Experience.. did you just make that whole thing up? Or are you bi-polar. As a non smoker, I'm more offended by strong perfumes people wear. Now THAT!!! should bother you far more than an e-cig would. In fact if an e-cig vapor harms your eyes,, my guess is that perfumes will harm them far worse.

      e-cigs have far less carcinogens that a regular cig, fumes at a gas station (the worse), perfume,..

      September 26, 2013 at 12:17 pm |
    • Bobo

      I don't see how it could possibly fill your area because vapor does not linger like smoke. It dissipates in a matter of seconds.

      September 26, 2013 at 12:18 pm |
      • laurab68

        Yes water vapor disappears within seconds, but odor does not. Have you ever been in a room where someone was having a coffee and they are no longer there, but you can still smell the coffee. The water vapor from the coffee steam is gone but the scent is still in the air. Same rule applies.

        September 26, 2013 at 2:51 pm |
    • Mike

      I call shenanigan's and will even go so far as to say you and your table of friends are just the types to look for anything to complain about. While I freely admit that some of the stronger fruity flavors will emit a smell (I vape an apple flavor, with 0 nicotine, and people in close proximity can faintly smell apples) It's still just water vapor that is being exhaled. Water is already in the air...it's called humidity. Water vapor is what you breath when you take a hot shower. Water vapor is what you see in the winter when you can "see your breath". The water vapor dissipates into the air, unlike smoke, which lingers seemingly forever. I once shut myself in an empty closet to test the lingering effects of a vaporizer. Just me, a book, a lamp, and my vaporizer, for well over an hour and a half. I was constantly hitting my vaporizer in this very tightly confined space and there was never any build up of lingering water vapor. Surely, by your "experience" you would think that storm clouds would have been forming.

      Again...shenanigans! Strange thing about habitual complainers is when they finally find something to complain about, their minds actually start to believe it. You created your own "experience".

      September 26, 2013 at 12:37 pm |
      • ThreeAmigosIsReallyFunny

        Bingo.

        September 26, 2013 at 1:35 pm |
    • Sharon Hayes

      I went recently to an Olive Garden. A family with two preteen children were seated nearby. One child was playing an annoying video game with the volume turned high. The other was continually receiving/sending texts with different ringtones going off with each incoming. We asked the waiter if anything could be done. He said no. We asked to be reseated. It's nice to have freedom of choice!

      September 28, 2013 at 2:55 am |
  34. harpomang

    Since we're in banning mode in this nation. I think we should start banning other things in public. After e cigs, let's ban people who don't wear deodorant (irritates my nose), noisy children (irritates my ears), people who dress inappropriately (irritates my eyes), loud speech (irritates my ears), ownership of dogs or cats (dander from pets carried on the skin of people who go out to eat can irritate those who are allergic), perfume, peanuts in any food in any restaurant (some people can be very sensitive to peanuts, even if they aren't the ones who eat them). Sick people (it's much more harmful to be sitting near a table with a person that has a cold than one who's smoking an e cig). Basically, lets ban all things that in any way can be looked at as harmful or irritating. Better yet we can ban people in general from restaurants; it's the only way to satisfy everyone.

    Or we could just stop being little babies and quit trying to ostracize human beings for silly things like using e cigs.

    September 26, 2013 at 11:53 am |
    • JR

      Bah, you want people to make their own decisions without running to Big Brother every time someone else is doing something they don't like?

      You're not from around here are you? : )

      September 26, 2013 at 11:55 am |
      • harpomang

        Apparently not ;)

        September 26, 2013 at 11:58 am |
      • Gorsh

        I think your sarcasm filter is clogged.

        September 26, 2013 at 12:02 pm |
    • JR

      Nah, he got it. Didja see the ;) ?

      September 26, 2013 at 12:06 pm |
    • Casey

      I couldn't agree more!

      September 26, 2013 at 12:11 pm |
  35. Gorsh

    I feel that anything that might offend anyone anywhere at any time in any way must be banned.

    Wait, no...

    I feel that anything that might offend me personally anywhere at any time in any way must be banned.

    September 26, 2013 at 11:52 am |
    • KeithLong

      I'm visually offended by fat people and teenagers with their pants buckled around their knees. They should be banned too.

      September 26, 2013 at 12:01 pm |
      • Casey

        Keith, the banning of teenagers is actually a great idea lol

        September 26, 2013 at 12:13 pm |
  36. Tags

    Article seems to want them gone, then argues for them to stay. Where is the controversy?

    Id throw in my 2 cents, but this is a joke.......

    September 26, 2013 at 11:50 am |
  37. kebabs30

    before you can argue over "E-cigs", "Combustion" must first be defined, E-cigs cause combustion which releases carcinogens into the air. "Vaporizing" w/a Volcano doesnt create carcinogens & its one of the few devices on the market that doesnt combust plant material. More products like Volcano should be offered so people have a healthier alternative t

    September 26, 2013 at 11:48 am |
    • jkflipflop

      You don't have a clue what you're talking about.

      September 26, 2013 at 12:13 pm |
  38. Kent

    Allowing E-cigs would be a big step backwards. Let's not lose that hard fought ground. I do not want to breat somebody's second nicotine, whether it has smoke or not.

    September 26, 2013 at 11:47 am |
    • JR

      Nor do I, so I will make my own decisions about where to eat and where not to eat. I certainly don't want Big Brother nanny state setting all the rules.

      September 26, 2013 at 11:49 am |
    • Uranus_Hz

      Study finds no health concerns in second hand vapor: http://acsh.org/2013/08/new-study-finds-no-health-concerns-in-e-cig-vapor/

      September 26, 2013 at 11:58 am |
      • Its on the internet

        So it must be true.......

        September 26, 2013 at 12:25 pm |
    • Greebo Watkins

      Feel free to stay ignorant about vapor and don't let this sciency research get in the way...

      September 26, 2013 at 12:13 pm |
    • Navy

      Not all of them contain nicotine. Ive been smoking one of them for a few months now, all with 0 nicotine, its just juice, all Im getting is flavor. I could say the same thing about sick people, I dont want to breathe their cold germs when they sneeze.

      September 26, 2013 at 1:10 pm |
  39. ann

    I am fine with it so long as they could test and guarantee that ALL e-cigs do not have anything in the vapor that is emitted. As long as my health is not effected I am fine. You cannot smell e-cigs at all and does not seem to cause my allergies any issues when I have been exposed to the vapors.

    September 26, 2013 at 11:46 am |
    • JR

      How about you just choose not to patronize restaurants that allow ecigs?

      The world does not need to conform to YOUR needs.

      September 26, 2013 at 11:48 am |
      • ann

        Yes but their freedoms are encroaching on mine. That is the problem. I try to be courteous to others and not do anything that would effect the health or allergies of people around me. Why are their needs/wants more important than everyone else around them?

        September 26, 2013 at 11:51 am |
        • JR

          Why should government get to dictate whether restaurants allow it or not? Do not private businesses have the right to operate as they see fit?

          Nobody's imposing on your freedom; you are free to dine in a particular restaurant that allows the e-cigs, or not dine there.

          But don't make the claim that you have some "right" to dine in a smoke-free or e-cig free establishment, because no such "right' exists.

          September 26, 2013 at 11:54 am |
        • Gorsh

          If a bar or restaurant is smoke free and another is not, you have the right to choose which you go to don't you?

          A smoker also may choose where to eat based on the rules.

          It's called freedom. I know some people have a hard time with it.

          September 26, 2013 at 11:56 am |
        • ann

          My point is that there isn't any rules about e-cigs yet at all in most places. Therefore, at any point I can be exposed to e-cig vapors (has happened at the mall twice and a couple of other places). Therefore, I would like to know whether or not they emit nicotine or other chemicals. If they do not emit any of those items and do not effect my health etc then I would not be opposed to them being allowed everywhere in all restaurants. Once they come up with rules then you guys ideas would be all fine and good, but for now I have no way to distinguish where I could avoid vapes or not or even whether or not I should even be concerned about them at all.

          September 26, 2013 at 12:03 pm |
        • Raul

          I am affected by your misuse of the English language. It literally makes me cringe and sours my reading experience. Please refrain from commenting until you can tell the difference between "effect" and "affect".

          September 26, 2013 at 12:06 pm |
        • JR

          Stay inside your bubble Ann. If e-cigs in restaurants bother you so much, you best not ever step out in the city street where are those exhaust fumes just might kill you.

          September 26, 2013 at 12:07 pm |
        • Gorsh

          Oh, the horror of it all.

          You do understand that you rode in a car made of potentially toxic materials, burning know carcinogens, likely drinking water from a bottle that is known to emit carcinogens into liquids, right?

          September 26, 2013 at 12:07 pm |
        • ann

          And by rules I mean the restaurants making their own rules, not govt. I am sure they are waiting to find out more about e-cigs just like me. without that information some may ban them unnecessarily which would be unfortunate.

          September 26, 2013 at 12:08 pm |
        • Gorsh

          JR, bubbles are made of plastic, many of which emit dangerous carcinogens and hormonally toxic chemicals.

          September 26, 2013 at 12:09 pm |
        • ann

          so I guess what you guys are saying is that I should never want to know what is in something or care if it effects my health. Weird. What is so wrong with wanting information so that I can make an informed decision about my own self? You guys sure are weird.

          September 26, 2013 at 12:10 pm |
        • ann

          @Raul wow and you never ever misuse a word or spell something wrong accidentally on an informal forum where people can and do use short hand such as u for You etc?

          September 26, 2013 at 12:21 pm |
    • ann

      I have not been around any e-cigs that smell. If they did smell, I would not like it as it could effect my allergies. My in-laws smoke and I lose my voice every time we visit them.

      September 26, 2013 at 11:49 am |
      • JR

        Then don't visit.

        You seem to want people to change their behaviors to suit your needs. You can only control your own behavior.

        September 26, 2013 at 11:50 am |
        • ann

          Wow so I should never visit my in-laws? I have not told them I lose my voice because I don't want to offend them. Yet, they could care less that I am pretty miserable the whole time I am there. Don't people have any empathy or care for the health/feelings of others at all? I certainly try not to do anything that would cause others around me to be miserable. Why am I the only one expected to be polite and considerate?

          September 26, 2013 at 11:58 am |
        • JR

          So you CHOOSE to visit them in THEIR home, then get upset when they don't act in a way YOU want them to?

          Wow.

          Why don't you invite them to visit YOU instead, and you can rightfully ask that they do not smoke in your house.

          But it takes some arrogance to expect to be able to go to someone else's home and demand they act in a certain way, contrary to their usual behaviors, just so YOUR comfort can be assured.

          September 26, 2013 at 12:01 pm |
        • ann

          I didn't say I was asking them to quit smoking in THEIR home, just pointing out that exposure to regular cigarrette smoke makes me lose my voice. Therefore, I am naturally interested to know when a product might cause such a reaction so I can make an informed decision about what I am willing to live with or not live with (aka not visiting or whatever).

          September 26, 2013 at 12:18 pm |
      • lilsister

        Similar situation with my asthmatic son and my chain smoking mother. Eventually it got to where I had to tell my mom that her smoking was causing my son to have asthma attacks when she babysitted him. Since it was her house, she paid all the bills, and I really had no right to tell her what she can and can't do inside her own home, I explained to her the situation and convinced her to babysit at my house and smoke outside. I even put out a chair, little table, and ashtray for her. So, perhaps you could explain to your in-laws that you have trouble when you go over there and invite them over to your house instead... :) Even if they don't smoke around you when you visit, its still on the walls, in the air, on clothing, etc, etc...

        September 26, 2013 at 1:03 pm |
    • King

      You didn't need proof that smoking causes cancer, because, news flash, there isn't any! So, why do you need a test for the vapor?

      September 26, 2013 at 11:54 am |
      • ann

        There is plenty of research that shows smokers are more likely to have multiple health issues (including cancer) as a result of tobacco usage.

        September 26, 2013 at 11:59 am |
        • ThreeAmigosIsReallyFunny

          Stupid comment.

          September 26, 2013 at 1:39 pm |
  40. Krispy

    I'm a smoker of regular cigarettes and a guy I used to work with used an E-Cig all the time. Riding in a car with this guy with the windows up, there was most definitely a smell coming off of his E-Cig. It smelled kind of like cloves and it wasn't a particularly nice smell. I know my cigarette smoke doesn't smell good to someone who doesn't smoke and I've always smoked outside, even when there wasn't a ban yet in my state. I've been around people smoking the E-Cigs in bars and they haven't bothered me, mostly because they blow their smoke/vapor up in the air rather than in whatever direction they chose.

    September 26, 2013 at 11:41 am |
  41. DrDanno

    Nicotine is highly addictive. E-cigs will ensnair more people who would otherwise not be handing over $150-300/month to the tobacco companies. They make smoking look glamorous and I predict that flavors like 'Smarties' and banana nut bread will entice kids to start at an early age. I"m sure the execs have a number to describe the percent of former smokers who come back to nicotine, either as E cig users or as tobacco smokers.

    September 26, 2013 at 11:40 am |
    • King

      Nicotine, marketing, execs, etc., are NEVER to blame...it's the human who made that CHOICE. How bout accepting responsibility your own actions.

      September 26, 2013 at 11:47 am |
      • DrDanno

        BS. The tobacco industry was responsible to the tune of $206 BILLION over 25 years. Now THAT'S some blame. Product liability suits will always hold them accountable. Not to mention the moral reprehensibility of trafficking in a substance that literally kills 600,000 Americans ANNUALLY. Seems kind of silly to be so worried about deaths due to terrorism with this going on.

        Nope. Not giving these lying scoundrels a pass on this.

        September 26, 2013 at 12:03 pm |
        • Greebo Watkins

          How many of those deaths are from a nicotine overdose?

          September 26, 2013 at 12:09 pm |
        • King

          It kills 600K? Can YOU reference any documented evidence? That evidence being that smoking directly caused cancer. Not that it likely contributed to, but that it DIRECTLY CAUSED. You can't and you won't because it doesn't exist!

          September 26, 2013 at 12:12 pm |
    • MoonSwanni

      eCigs have been around for some time now. I have yet found one person using ecigs that has NOT been an ex-smoker. People do not associate smoking with looking "glamorous" these days. Kids who "smoke" ecigs are teased because they are not smoking "the real thing". The argument about flavor attracting kids is hogwash. You can buy 0 nicotine flavors. But if people are so worried about the children, I'm not against putting an age restriction against it.

      All the arguments I've heard against ecigs are so weak. How about encouraging the product to help people end their cigarette addiction? How about looking at eCigs as something positive for a change?

      September 26, 2013 at 11:55 am |
      • DrDanno

        Haven't seen the Jenny McArthy add yet, huh?

        September 26, 2013 at 12:04 pm |
        • MoonSwanni

          Yes. Go to any school and ask the students do they thinking smoking is glamorous.

          September 26, 2013 at 6:53 pm |
        • MoonSwanni

          Sorry about the typo.

          September 26, 2013 at 6:54 pm |
    • ann

      Execs are not completely blameless either. My husband and his cousin were given free samples of chewing tobacco when they were 16. I am pretty sure it was not an accident that they were targeted to receive the freebies. At the time they were considered underage and yet they freebies still rolled right to them anyway. Guess the companies felt the risk of getting caught was worth it if they got someone started.

      September 26, 2013 at 12:35 pm |
    • Colleen

      The difference between cigarettes and e-cigs is amazingly huge. If e-cigs were to become popular with kids instead of cigarettes, I welcome it. If I had had the option to use an e-cig when I was a kid I probably wouldn't have smoked cigarettes as long as I did. I will probably get some form of cancer at some point from it. But now, I will never ever go back to a cigarette. They taste disgusting! E-cigs taste wonderful, and even though my e-cig has a small amount of nicotine in it, I don't really use it very much. I save it for going out camping, going to the bar, doing fun things when I would have wanted a cigarette before. I'm also a singer so I can't have cigarettes in my life. You really have no idea what you're talking about if you've never tasted the difference between these two things. I can't imagine a kid would opt to start smoking real cigarettes that are more expensive, smell bad, aren't nearly as cool or techie as an e-cig, and you have to go outside to smoke them. There are a million reasons why an e-cig is better and there's no way it will become a gateway.

      September 26, 2013 at 1:07 pm |
  42. King

    e-cigs are NOT a cessation product, such as gums or patches, as the uninformed author suggested. They are an alternative method to smoking, period. Meaning those e-smokers aren't going away either.

    Also, the "excuse" used to justify putting laws on the books is "health of the workers". We all know the truth is it's customers whining and complaining about the smell.

    September 26, 2013 at 11:37 am |
    • Nomoresmoker

      I have been smoke free for 13 months thanks to e-cigs. I was able to stop e-cigs after 6 months. I'm all for them.

      September 26, 2013 at 11:55 am |
      • kellie

        That is awesome

        September 26, 2013 at 3:38 pm |
    • MoonSwanni

      Incorrect. It's true that some people do use it as an alternative to smoking, but there are those like me who are using it as a way to end their nicotine addiction. I have not touched cigarettes for three months and just reached 0 nicotine. I have a few more psychological hurdles to cross and I'm done. I anticipate to be done with the whole thing in a month or two. There are many success stories, but people only like to look at what fits their agenda.

      September 26, 2013 at 11:59 am |
      • Colleen

        that's awesome! way to go!

        September 26, 2013 at 1:10 pm |
    • ann

      it can be used as a cessation product, but it can also be used as an alternative form of smoking.

      September 26, 2013 at 12:24 pm |
    • TickledPink

      I personally am using it as an alternative to smoking as I have no desire to quit but couldn't handle the effects of smoking cigarettes anymore. However, I know several people who've used it to quit all together. Same product, different motivations, different outcomes.

      September 26, 2013 at 2:55 pm |
  43. JR

    Let restaurants decide for themselves. What we don't need is more government regulation over private enterprise.

    I as a consumer can decide whether or not to patronize a restaurant; if one allows vaping and the vapors bother me, I don't go there. Seems some people are just too eager to have Big Brother step in and banish behaviors they dont' personally approve of.

    September 26, 2013 at 11:34 am |
    • Matrix

      Americans have made it quite clear that that loathe freedom.

      Freedom means that other people will likely do things you do not like, just as you are welcome to do things other people despise.

      But freedom just seems too difficult for a lot of Americans.

      September 26, 2013 at 11:37 am |
      • JR

        Exactly right Matrix.

        I am a vehement anti-smoker; I hate the smell and I despise smokers who toss their butts all over the flipping ground. But years ago, I opposed a movement to make all restaurants in Florida (where I lived at the time) non-smoking. Though I like walking into a restaurant without breathing in smoke, I disliked the fact government was setting the rules. What should have happened is that the majority of people who are nonsmokers should have forced restaurants to go smoke-free on their own or risk losing revenues. That's how the market should work.

        I don't mind the end result mind you, but I resent how some people run to the nanny state every time they see something they don't like.

        September 26, 2013 at 11:43 am |
        • DrDanno

          "Government" IS the people and in this case it was clear that a huge majority of patrons and employees alike wanted to be rid of the smoke in the workplace, especially when data became available proving the carcinogenicity of second hand smoke.

          As with all freedoms we enjoy in this country, you can do what you want as long as your freedoms don't interfere with my freedoms, and where there's a conflict, majority typically rules.

          September 26, 2013 at 11:47 am |
        • JR

          Danno – you miss the point. There are ways to effect change without running to the government every time other people are doing something you don't like.

          Who knows, someday maybe government will want to regulate behaviors that affect you, then I suspect you'll sing a different tune.

          September 26, 2013 at 11:51 am |
        • DrDanno

          No, don't think so. Again, the government is US.

          September 26, 2013 at 11:57 am |
        • JR

          The government does not simply exercise the tyranny of the majority.

          September 26, 2013 at 11:59 am |
    • MoonSwanni

      As far as restaurants go, I think need to be reminded why smoking bans where implemented in the first place – the dangers of second-hand smoke. There is no smoke with eCigs. What are the "dangers" of nicotine carried by water vapor? What is the shelf-life of nicotine after the water dissipates? If one is against the issue, these are questions one SHOULD be asking. But its apparent, people just don't like and are uneducated about it.

      September 26, 2013 at 12:10 pm |
  44. Steve

    I'd rather sit next to someone in a restaurant inhaling an ecig than the slob who loudly blows his/her nose while I'm trying to eat. I can avert my eyes to avoid something I may not want to see, but I can't avert my ears. If it's going in you (water vapor, those fatty fries, or that sugary coke) – I don't care whatsoever. If it's coming out of you (mucus, urine, feces or smoke) at the table then I do.

    September 26, 2013 at 11:32 am |
    • King

      Stay home and live in your bubble.

      September 26, 2013 at 11:39 am |
  45. DrDanno

    This is capitalism at its worst. Selling a highly addictive substance with a signiticant probability of cross contamination with highly lethal tobacco, without knowing the long term health effects, for profit.

    And regarding this last point, are you going to take the word of an industry that just 50 years ago employed physicians to convince you that tobacco was good for you; who's execs testified before Congress that nicotine wasn't addictive; that manipulated medical data to hide the fact that tobacco caused cancer from their customers for years????

    September 26, 2013 at 11:27 am |
    • NotYoDady

      What is in that food?

      And you believe all that even though you didn't grow it or kill it yourself?

      Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

      September 26, 2013 at 11:33 am |
    • harpomang

      Significant probability of contamination with highly deadly tobacco? What are you talking about? Do you have any idea?

      September 26, 2013 at 11:43 am |
      • DrDanno

        By 'cross-contamination' used here in the context of advertising, consumers who smoke, or are former smokers, will identify E cigarettes with real cigarettes, leading those who might not start using nicotine from tobacco to start an addictive habit with E cigs. I'm sure the execs can predict the percentage of E users who will migrate to real tobacco for the first time, or return to tobacco after having quit, then started using nicotine via E cigs.

        It's a slipper slope.

        September 26, 2013 at 11:53 am |
        • harpomang

          You know what else is a slippery slope? Banning anything that can be at all harmful to humans. You damage your ears every time you go to a bar with loud music playing, should we put a decibel cap on every restaurant and bar while we're at it?

          September 26, 2013 at 11:57 am |
        • Greebo Watkins

          Are you kidding me? Are you trying to argue that e-cigs are a gateway product to real tobacco? How big of a percentage do you think that is? I'll bet it's around the same as those people who were convinced to ride horses after getting their driver's license.

          September 26, 2013 at 12:07 pm |
        • Casey

          So you are saying it's a "gateway" cigarette? That's a stretch... seem's like your grasping at straws

          September 26, 2013 at 1:25 pm |
    • Greebo Watkins

      Big Tobacco tried to crush the e-cig industry when it started up and they couldn't so they employed the "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" tactic. And Big Tobacco was making every argument you're trying to make and even more...to no avail...

      September 26, 2013 at 11:52 am |
  46. CoyRoy

    Wow. What a puff piece for E-cigarettes (vaping)!
    They are not odorless, but come in a variety of awful scents. There was a kiosk selling them by food vendors at the mall. The mix of odors is nauseating! Couldn’t eat a thing there.
    It is not simply water vapor. They ARE invasive! Other chemicals are mixed in. They are give me an instant headache. I’ve had to leave clubs and restaurants because of vapors.
    I am a former smoker. You would not pour a little vodka in a reformed alcoholics’ drink. A little nicotine in the air around ex-nicotine addicts is ok, though?
    They are sold as a “legal” nicotine delivery system, no so much as a way to quit cigaretes. Most of the appeal seems to be gateway to smoking for young people. Is “more healthy” nicotine addiction a good thing? I know people who quit smoking, but they can’t get off vaping.
    Vaping should be banned anywhere where smoking is!

    September 26, 2013 at 11:24 am |
    • King

      Why should it be YOUR way?

      September 26, 2013 at 11:44 am |
    • Dave Lent

      Can you point me to any non-corporate-funded research that demonstrate nicotine to be any more harmful than caffeine?

      September 26, 2013 at 11:45 am |
      • King

        Agreed. I'd even be interested in ANY published AMA journal or other documented evidence that smoking, not possibly contributes to, but is a proven direct cause of cancer.

        September 26, 2013 at 11:50 am |
    • Problem?

      That's the most hyperbolic exaggeration I've ever read on the internet. You're probably one of those guys that go out of your way to approach a smoke pit to berate smokers who have chosen to segregate themselves from you. There is no "smoke" or anything harmful to invade you or your space. You are truly ignorant about how e-cigarettes/vapor devices work.

      Your whole concotion about getting a headache is laughable. It's one of those things you would type on the internet, but wouldn't say out loud in public because it's preposterous and someone would likely just slap you out of stupidity.

      September 26, 2013 at 12:01 pm |
    • smoker

      the vapor has strong smell, worse than cigars. since I can't smoke a cig in a restaurant or bar or park or most anywhere, I don't want to smell the vapors from ecigs either. I'm allergic to alot of perfumes and some of the vapors I've come across, too.

      September 26, 2013 at 1:21 pm |
      • Kwstad

        WAH-WAH-WAH. "It offends me so let's ban it". Keep bitching and whining.

        September 26, 2013 at 4:59 pm |
    • Casey

      Well then we should ban everything you find stinky or offensive...how about air fresheners, perfume, or those kids that wear so much body spray it could knock you down? GET OVER YOURSELF your opinion is not nearly as significant as you would like to believe..

      September 26, 2013 at 1:28 pm |
  47. Dreygur

    How about we just ban people at restaurants... then no one will be there to bother anyone one else.

    September 26, 2013 at 11:17 am |
  48. The Lost Surveyor

    My take on the poll statistics is a little different. This is most definitely an uber liberal cause. There is no scientific basis here just personal preference. Roughly 25% want it banned. What I see, and it's a bit of a leap, but work with me here. Is that we already know that roughly 25% of the nation is uber conservative based on numerous other polls. So what I see is that roughly half the nation doesn't know when to shut up and mine their own business. The other half of the nation is moderate. So essentially we have 50% of this nation disenfranchised by a hyper politicized government. We need a moderate party just to real these maniacs in.

    September 26, 2013 at 11:15 am |
  49. Sara

    If they don't stink and the vapor doesn't irritate my asthma, I'm fine with it.

    September 26, 2013 at 11:11 am |
  50. conrad shull

    No one is smoking anything when using e-cigarettes. Disapproval of them because of disapproval of cigarette smoking is a clear indication of an inability to think rationally, a common enough trait anyway.

    September 26, 2013 at 11:10 am |
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